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Can You Force a Draw in Chess

kaartman

I am definitely a chess rookie in the beginning stages of learning about this great game.  My question relates to a game I played last night that resulted in a draw by repetition.  Near the end my opponent (who was rated much higher than me) had me in an extremely vulnerable position where I was left with only my queen and three pawns and he had both his rooks, the queen, and six pawns.  In two quick moves, that I couldn't otherwise prevent, I would've been mated.  In any event, at the end I was able to corner his king with my queen in such a way that he could only move his king back and forth between two spaces as I put him in check over and over.  A draw by repetition was the result.  Obviously, I could've made other moves (he couldn't after I put him in check), but my thinking was that a draw was better than the inevitable loss I would suffer if I made a different move.  In any event, after the game my opponent told me what I did was bad etiquette and that I shouldn't have resorted to such a low-brow tactic.  I responded that I didn't see how it is bad etiquette to force the best result I possibly could get out of my otherwise dire situation.  Again, I am very new to chess, so maybe he was right and what I did was improper.  If so, lesson learned and I won't do it again.  Please advise me on whether what I did was proper or not.  Thanks.

PrawnEatsPrawn

Nothing at all wrong with drawing through repetition, as honourable a result as any other.

Scarblac

You are entirely correct and your opponent is wrong. You simply played good defense. It's perfectly normal and not a matter of etiquette.

Tricklev

Your opponent is wrong, if he doesn't want a draw by repetition, he shouldn't leave his position so weak he has no choice.

And finding forced draws is actually harder than one think, good job.

Streptomicin

Lol, you are right, and he is wrong.

There is no bad etiquette in the game. You can be badass in chat, OTB, and all that, but in game, rules are clear.

Why would you lose if you can draw?

ticktoc

This is a joke, right?

I mean, some of the greatest GM's of all time have "won" a draw in this manner.

Fuggitaboudit, ya done good.

RC_Woods

yeah in line with all the previous posters - you did the right thing.

Think of it like this: if you are winning, you'd surely avoid lines where you could run into perpetual check, right? And you know why? Because otherwise you don't win, you draw.

Well done for you, and too bad for your opponent.

BlueKnightShade

I agree with all the other replies.

Your opponent's remark was bad etiquette. It was also a "bad loser's" remark since he lost his winning position. Since he is the stronger player it would be much more relevant if he would have praised you for being alert to a tactical situation which not all beginners would see.

So you saw the tactics in that part of the game and played accordingly. That is certainly the way to go in chess.

Blitz55

Just because you can't WIN doesn't mean you should line your troops up to die. You got the draw. Good on you. Im pretty new as well ... QUESTION: after a few back and forth moves like that does the computer call it a draw or does the other player have to hit the Draw button?

Streptomicin

Nytik

This question gets posted a lot, and I suppose I can see why, it might be an issue for newer players.

What I don't get is, how could it be considered bad etiquette if it's in the rules? You can't look at a board and say "Well, you could play this move, but to be honest that's just rude."

Kupov2

Nytik wrote:

This question gets posted a lot, and I suppose I can see why, it might be an issue for newer players.

What I don't get is, how could it be considered bad etiquette if it's in the rules? You can't look at a board and say "Well, you could play this move, but to be honest that's just rude."


hahahahahaha

kaartman

Thanks for the responses.  I'm glad to know I didn't break any etiquette rule I didn't know about.  I wouldn't have questioned myself had my opponent not told me my action was ill-mannered.

@Blitz55, yeah I was waiting for the computer to call it a draw, but I had to hit the draw button to finally make it happen.

64_block_square

its not a bad thing, a player should also be aware of those things but he didn't, so let him suffer the draw instead of a win...

Gert-Jan

Well played. I looked at the game you're talking about and you got a draw out of a game in which your opponent got the benefit. I can imagine that he was mad at himself but he has no reason to be mad at you.

ChessBird

I can relate, last night my opponent offered a draw far before things were over, so I declined. I blundered later on and it cost me the game, that's fine. But then my opponent sent me a snarky note re the draw, and rubbed my nose in it. Sore winner! Ah well. I just didn't think it was time for a draw at the time he suggested it. We both had our queens and three pawns apiece at that juncture, and a number of options to still play out. I told him to enjoy his win...and suppressed a snarky responseSealed

Rikeil

Obivously your opponent is trying to play real life chess.  If he can convince you not to force a draw by repetition in the future, he can take more points from you when you make that non-repetitive move that simply results in you losing the game.

jamessaul

the guy is a chump, i looked at the game it was the right thing to do. Like everyone here what you did was the right thing to do. Drawing is better than losing. Good luck with all your future games many more draws to come Smile

but draws can be a tricky thing to play i remember a game where i offered a draw and they refused and in a few moves it was the repetition i saw, but yea you've got to make sure you click the claim draw button.

CandleFlame

People who whine about a draw as if it is some personal insult remind me of the Little League player who cries if he is in the on-deck circle when the last out of the game is recorded, getting "mad" at his teammate for making the last out, or at the other team for executing the out.

Draw by repetition is in the rules, availing yourself of it was frankly a stroke of brilliance in a situation which was otherwise bound to be a loss...well done by you, and instead of accusing you of "bad etiquette" perhaps your "superior" opponent could instead take a lesson in never assuming a game is over until checkmate or a resignation has been accomplished, and in always knowing that the best offense is a good defense, and to cover his own bases so that an "inferior" opponent could not use such "bad etiquette".

tarikhk

i agree with everyone else. Sometimes a forced draw can be the most beautiful thing about a whole game.

Can You Force a Draw in Chess

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